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you're listening to skep tide I'm Brian

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Dunning from sceptile calm was Chuck

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Yeager fool oops sorry about that um no

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Oh

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welcome to the skeptic zone show number

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32 for the 29th of May Richard Saunders

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with you a bit of a short show this week

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I'm flying down to Melbourne together

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with dr. Rachel Kylie Sturgis and Dave

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the happy singer to give some talk so we

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haven't got much time foot to give her a

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show however I did manage to catch up

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with Mario shot lander otherwise known

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as muy poo for an interview so sit back

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relax have a cup of tea and enjoy my

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mari el shot lander from New York

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otherwise known as muy poo is a physics

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student with a passion for space and

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astronomy in fact she wants to be the

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first woman to land on the moon and I'm

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sure she will be too I spoke with mari

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el a few days ago from Queens and we're

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talking with mari el right now on the

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line from new york city new york city

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isn't it Morial it is it is actually at

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Queens but that's still New York City

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Queens in New York City fantastic I've

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never been to New York I'd love to come

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and visit you should I sure and it's

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starting the summer now so it's very

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good weather fantastic now you've had a

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very interesting career in on the

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internet and in skepticism but you

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haven't been really around or active for

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too long but you've certainly made an

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impact when did you really get started

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with your adventures into science in the

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internet actually quite a long time ago

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but I started in YouTube I started with

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video debates on YouTube there were

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questions asked and answered and then I

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saw that there's a lot of interest in a

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lot of people that have questions about

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science or scientific subjects and not a

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lot of them that really get answered and

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I took that as a challenge and I started

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putting up astronomy videos and I saw

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that there's there's actually a lot of

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interest and I was positively surprised

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and I decided to take it step further

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and I started smarter than that which is

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the experiment website it's a

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do-it-yourself experiments on YouTube

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with an accompanying site to explain all

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the experiments and to show how you can

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do it at home and those experiments show

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you scientific phenomena that you can

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you can see for yourself not not you

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know research or store

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believe the scientists that you've never

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met before you don't know just do it

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yourself see for yourself and learn yeah

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now I became hooked on those videos

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because I loved the one where you

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explain the speed of light in the

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microwave and then that was all very

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funny and then I couldn't believe my

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eyes you were sort of almost half naked

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in the bath can you explain that one all

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right actually it was it was the first

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meant as a as a like a joke because I

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wasn't at all naked um like oh you've

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spoiled it now I was no I know I'm sorry

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to disappoint I was almost naked though

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if that helps oh thank you but um i was

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i was actually filming this with my

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roommate at the time and i started

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explaining and she had a lot of

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it took me a while to explain to her

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that I don't mind explaining but in

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order for me to actually film this she

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needs to be quiet and if you listen very

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carefully you can hear her giggle in the

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background and so as we were filming

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there were so many bubbles that I

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started just covering myself but he just

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created a very nice the effect yes yes I

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guess that I think that worked very well

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because it's like did she did she really

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go half naked in the bath to make this

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video or I'm not sure that would that I

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thought that was very cute you know but

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that I started the other project that

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I'm that I started recently smart acts

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calm which by the way it's an ex with an

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medicine oh yes and I yeah it kind of

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sounds like a medicine too so I didn't

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want to go there but only later I

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learned that you can actually spell it

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we started with in small X with a new

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project on Twitter called

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ask tirana me where we have a few

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experts in astronomy knowledgeable

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amateurs or actual experts who will

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sk TR 0 and oh my so just do that and

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get your answers and participate in a

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debate about astronomy and if people

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want to follow you personally on Twitter

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what's your twitter name my twitter name

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is muy poo and the more than welcome to

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ask me questions and approach me there

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and follow me movie poof and that spelt

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video that I decided also to go for that

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project because I saw that the reaction

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for that video for the Doppler effect

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video where I'm in the I'm starting it

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in the bathtub and I'm I appeared to be

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naked the reactions were suddenly good

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target audience that is more you know

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enjoyed the experiment and enjoyed you

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know the the demonstration but then I

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also got you know messages from just

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random people who saw me in the you know

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science of it as you know in the back

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door yes and and I thought it was really

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cool and I thought you know what this is

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know don't don't naturally go to the

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science stuff think that the science

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stuff is nerdy argue yes yes yes and

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heart with the little duckies in the

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bath and the mommy ducky and yes yeah

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which is I think it the line

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for way to to do the science experiments

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and mass hmm which which is funny

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that but it's not exactly it's it's

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nothing bad nothing too bad but it's not

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kid friendly and I wanted to add

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something that is kid-friendly because

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this is you know that there are many

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misconceptions are with weight and mass

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that started a young age and so I put it

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up recently and I used the analogy of

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you know space travel of orbit where you

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are weightless but you still have mass

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you still have the same mass but your

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weight varies depending on on well if

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you're on the Moon or Mars or earth or

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listen up fitness fans it's physics time

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weight is not the same as mass mass

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in an object weight is the force that

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the object is exerting on the ground we

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is a multiplication of your mass and the

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force of gravity if you increase or

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to the changes accordingly the moon's

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Earth's if you land on the moon you will

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weigh six times less than you do on

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earth but your mass remains the same the

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particles that make you you didn't go

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anywhere your scale will show a six of

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your original weight on earth if your

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goal is to lose weight when you just

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achieved it but you can also reduce your

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weight without reducing your mass here

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on earth for example any time you go

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down an elevator in a tall building you

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are losing weight while the elevator is

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accelerating it is moving away from your

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feet and you are essentially falling

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when you go up a tall building the

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elevators acceleration is upwards and

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you're pressed strongly against the

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floor a situation that increases your

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weight quite a few amusement park rides

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use these principles to get your guts

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churning but everyone knows that the

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best way to lose weight is to exercise

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and eat right that is true only because

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exercise and nutrition will help you get

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rid of the massive fat in your body and

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by that decrease your weight when you

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exercise your body burns fat and builds

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muscle muscles are denser than fat and

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have more mass per unit volume that's

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why it is typical to gain a bit of

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weight if your weight loss routine

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includes a building muscle you replace

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the lighter massive fat with a denser

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and heavier mass of muscle your goal is

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to lose the fat hence to lose mass the

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result is that the scale is telling you

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that your weight is smaller and weight

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is not the same as mess

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the term weight loss is so ingrained in

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our society that it will be futile of me

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to try and get you to stop using it that

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does not mean however that you can't

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understand the physics behind those

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terms so remember if your goal is to

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lose weight write down an elevator or

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jump off a plane with a parachute if

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your goal is to be leaner exercise and

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eat right and get rid of that massive

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fat that surrounds your muscles

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alternatively you can go live on the

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International Space Station where weight

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is not really an issue you know I go to

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the gym and there are a lot of people

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and I always say well you know what if

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you want to lose weight jump off an

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airplane with a parachute that's a great

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way of losing weight but the goal you

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know is to lose the fat the the the mass

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of fat so that's different you know

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different thing altogether so that's a

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the the recent video i put up i'm hoping

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while I'm not sure what about yet I have

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consent send you some ideas but I think

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was jet-lagged out of my brain but I was

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going up an escalator and you were

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coming down to dinner or lunch or who

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knows what it was they were oh my

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goodness me it's muy poo and then the

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next thing I know you're dragging me

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think it was for me but but it was all

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for science and it was great we actually

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proved a few things there and can you

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my face in fact do I really need to

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explain I don't you do you typically I

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mean yes well I mean everyone wants to

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shove into my face but you did

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it for science exactly and um yes well

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that was the excuse anyways we wanted to

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see what what goes on when you transfer

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a three-dimensional

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body like your face for in that example

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onto a two-dimensional plane like a page

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and we wanted to show that in order to

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show really that things like a shroud of

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turin where you look at a piece of cloth

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and you see an actual face as if like it

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doesn't look distorted it looks as if

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you took a picture of someone and we

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wanted to see if if that's logical if

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that's something that you know if this

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shroud really did cover someone's face

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and then we peel it off would we see a

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normal face so we use the cream on your

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face and then with a piece of paper and

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we saw that it was very amusing but it

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didn't look like you really it was very

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amusing I remember course it was a las

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vegas in the middle of summer we stepped

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outside to do this and by the time you

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squash the cream which is really whipped

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cream on plates into my face it wasn't

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very long before they all began to melt

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and yeah that was outfit it was it was I

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yeah I commend you for your effort to

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science Oh anything besides if our

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listeners would want to see me in my

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great moment there of getting the the

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pie in the face where can they go to see

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that video oh yeah to smarter than that

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dot-com it's right there on the front

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page haha smile then that come I've got

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some wonderful photographs because we

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actually had a little audience there

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while we're doing it that was so that

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was so much fun we walked outside Noah's

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all these people were following us and

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they all stood around thinking what the

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hell of course I think I was walking

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around telling people I'm going to show

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us your cake in your face so everybody

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came yeah I are you intending to go to

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town this year yes of course my course

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you are actually I knew you were at

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midnight I could yes and and I only

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recently got myself together with

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finances and

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well other sundry items and I'm coming

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too so we will have another blast maybe

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we can do some other crazy experiment

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maybe I can shove a cream pie in your

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face well maybe but you'll need to find

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you know an experiment 2 mm to excuse it

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you know let's say we have to get an

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experiment with half naked

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people in a bathtub and rubber duckies

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and a microwave oven and I think we're

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on the right track I agree now you

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obviously really enjoy doing this work

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this this outreach and I suppose that's

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what you really are doing some really

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some really nice outreach but what a you

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seriously involved with apart from that

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you mean in real life in real life yeah

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that there is a real life apparently

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I've been told yes well I'm a physics

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student in college I'm hoping to get my

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eventually i'm about two maybe three

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fifths of the way towards finishing my

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first degree in physics and when i'm

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done i'm hoping to continue to Astro

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physics PhD Wow and in any case I'm

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going to continue doing these kind of

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things because I think this is very very

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important very important and it's a lot

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of fun oh I agree i mean-- odd i'm glad

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there's someone like you and in fact i'm

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probably embarrassed you slightly when I

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was speaking last year the amazing

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meeting because one of the first things

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I did was point you out to the audience

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and say his muy poo in the front row and

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she's one of my heroes right i was i was

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very surprised thank you that was great

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and it was great meeting you there and

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it was the tam is just amazing it was my

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first time last year and definitely not

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in my last well yeah it's it's if

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they're only listeners I know a couple

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of episodes ago on the skeptics and we

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ran a promotion for Tamra james randi

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did a little talk about what it's like

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and I know Brian Dunning's been talking

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about how amazing it is to be there but

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seriously it's it's like nothing you've

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ever experienced it's wall-to-wall

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skeptics of the big

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names of skepticism incredibly good

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talks parties Las Vegas and as I've said

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in the latest issue of the skeptic

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magazine here in Australia which I

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partly edit I said so the make sure you

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sell your car your possessions what's

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left of your soul get the Las Vegas

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absolutely and you know what the debates

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with people there is just unbelievable

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it's just everybody's you have the same

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attitude but you have so many people

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with so many backgrounds and it's just

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amazing image so many nice people and

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it's really hot but off of course you

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can spend time with James Randi which is

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just oh yeah that's that's absolutely

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well everyone there James Randi Phil

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Plait you hahaha you you yeah so

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listeners and if you're coming to town

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great if you're not coming to town then

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take my advice and come to town and make

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sure you do come up and say hello to

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myself and especially mari el how can

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they recognize you are you going to be

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walking around with a shirt that says

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it's me muy poo or a big hat or

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something like that well they can look

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at the videos yes I'm betting that now

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after we talked about this the Doppler

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effect one where I'm in the bathtub half

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naked well we'll probably get a lot of

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views now i don't think i'm going to

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walk in town naked but still you know

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you can you can see from from the videos

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well some of those parties get a bit

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wild you know well you know we'll see

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nah i think your tremendous Mario you

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sort of to me represent the real fun

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part of science where you so

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enthusiastic about presenting and you do

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it in such a funny way but at the same

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time people they can't help but learn

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the physics lesson which is involved and

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I also love the one where you have

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though now is it a tennis ball in a

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stockings which you're throwing back and

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forth to to illustrate Doppler right yes

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this is a the same one the same video

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yeah the same video that I start

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in the in the shower I also play with

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yeah with the ball in a stocking oh you

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start in the shower look she can't help

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herself folks she's in the bath she's in

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the shower I'm surprised she's wearing

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clothes at all but but it gets the

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message across so great you know people

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start watching from a different reason

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and they end up learning so hey why not

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I think you really you accomplishing

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what you set out to do which is

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fantastic and you're only young so

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you've got zillion years ahead of you to

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improve upon what you're doing and get

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the message out there so everybody after

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the show please go to ww mrta then that

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calm and then go to ww smart acts with

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an e comm check out Mario's videos

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they're fantastic and her sense of humor

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I think really helps carry the message

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so Morial thank you very much for

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talking to the skeptic zone today thank

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you thank you very much and thanks for

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everything you're doing this is a great

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much and I'll see you at am oh yeah with

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